Samara gets real real with the National SEED Project trainer, who facilitates the types of difficult conversations many of us have been in since the Black Lives Matter protests erupted, if not before—with allies, with potential allies, with ourselves. For non-Black listeners, she offers advice on getting it wrong and doing it anyway, on the choice between shame and love, and on what to do when you don’t know what you don’t know (and how you got that way). Plus, below is a boatload of excellent resources for the long haul.

Host: Samara Bay

Executive producers: Catherine Burt Cantin & Mark Cantin, Double Vision doublevisionprojects.com

Producers: Samara Bay, Sophie Lichterman and the iHeart team

Theme music: Mark Cantin

Black Lives Matter Allyship and Action Guide: https://blacklivesmatters.carrd.co/?fbclid=IwAR3jS07-It67G_Fpj9xNU5nUOd0sEXjE2ycpclN0qbhYKZpUw97JTShBGBY#donate

Lauryn Whitney’s video “Ask Yourself”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDqwacSe7O0

Neelamjit references:

National SEED Project: nationalseedproject.org/

Feminists in Action: fia-la.com/

The Jane Club: janeclub.com/

EXTREMELY useful resources to begin allyship work:

White Supremacy Culture doc: https://collectiveliberation.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/White_Supremacy_Culture_Okun.pdf